Episode 8: ANDREW TATE and THE DECLINE OF MASCULINITY || Part 2

In this episode, I have an intellectual battle with Andrew Tate and his conception of masculinity. In this podcast, we have the last round over the topic of the Red Pill Community. To make it more digestible, I included the first two rounds in the previous podcast episode 7. And Round 3 will be the main point of discussion of this podcast episode 8.

🗣️ PART 1 🗣️(Previous Podcast – Episode 7)

🥊 Round 1 – Warrior Ethic: Performance over feelings (“a man fulfills his duty despite how he feels”).

🥊  Round 2 ­­– Meritocracy: You get the life you work for.

🗣️ PART 2 🗣️ (This episode)

🥊  Round 3 – A blend of ideas from the Red Pill online community (high man value, stoicism, courage, and traditionalism.)

👉🏼 TABLE OF CONTENT OF ROUND 3

1 – High Value Man

1.1 Explanation of “High value man”

1.2 Criticism – “High value man” 

2 – Stoicism and emotional control

2.1 Explanation of “Stoicism” according to Tate

2.2 Criticism 1: are women more emotional than men?

2.3 Criticism 2: selective “emotional control”

3 – Courage as the highest good

3.1 Explanation of “courage” according to Tate

3.2 Criticism: courage does not equal truth
 

4 – Traditionalism: role of men and women

4.1 Explanation of “traditionalism” 

4.2 Criticism: do we still need the “traditional man”?
 

5 – A message to men about Andrew Tate’s ideas

5.1 Do not be impressionable

5.2 You are not your strongest desires

5.3 Do not be ashamed for being a man

6 – A message to women about Andrew Tate’s ideas

6.1 Avoid making a caricature of men’s complaints

6.2 Stop talking about equality by only putting down men

6.3 Men are the “otherness” too – Avoid hateful comments

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📖 REFERENCES 📖

👉🏼 Links about Andrew Tate used in chronological order:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aPTX8F3t0jU

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZgdJi1jO-zs

👉🏼 Ben Shapiro’s analysis of Andrew Tate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM7Qzk_8m1Q&ab_channel=BenShapiro

👉🏼 Vulga drawing on Andrew Tate, slide 4:

https://www.tiktok.com/@vulga.drawings/video/7238655851400088858 

👉🏼 John mark comer: “Your strongest desires are not your deepest desires” 

Check: https://podcasts.apple.com/es/podcast/john-mark-comer-teachings/id1592847144?i=1000569246140

Check: Live no lies, where he also quotes that.  

👉🏼 Two blogpost I wrote in the past about Andrew Tate:

https://carlossantosaguirre.com/blog-english/the-virtue-of-andrew-tate-and-the-decline-of-masculinity

https://carlossantosaguirre.com/blog-english/tate2

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🎵INTRO/OUTRO MUSIC 🎵

 Rough Nights by Artificial.Music & Mehul ShaRma

Chapters

• 0:00 Brief description of the episode
• 1:54 Scope of my analysis and methodology
• 3:32 1.1 Explanation of “High value man”
• 8:59 1.2 Criticism – “High value man”
• 11:11 2.1 Explanation of “Stoicism” according to Tate
• 13:36 2.2 Criticism 1: are women more emotional than men?
• 16:39 2.3 Criticism 2: selective “emotional control”
• 18:48 3.1 Explanation of “courage” according to Tate
• 19:40 3.2 Criticism: courage does not equal truth
• 21:27 4.1 Explanation of “traditionalism”
• 23:07 4.2 Criticism: do we still need the “traditional man”?
• 28:10 5. A Message to the men
• 28:17 5.1 #1 Do not be impressionable
• 29:56 5.2 #2 You are not your strongest desires
• 36:40 5.3 #3 Do not be ashamed for being a man
• 37:52 6. A Message to the women
• 38:11 6.1 #1 Avoid making a caricature of men’s complaints
• 39:45 6.2 #2 Stop talking about equality by only putting down men
• 41:08 6.3 #3 Men are the “otherness” too – Avoid hateful comments
• 44:35 Next episode and socials (Send me suggestions)

Transcript

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Hola a todos Hello everybody so today we continue with our part 2 about the Andrew Tate and the decline of masculinity podcast episode if you have not watched the episode #1 please do so so that you are able to see the connection between the two parts in the first episode I talked about why in my opinion Andrew Tate rose to popularity and then I focused on two main philosophical ideas or conceptions that make up the concept of masculinity that Andrew Tate defends#1 was performance over feelings or in his own words"a man fulfill his duty despite how he feels" and#2 I criticized the concept of meritocracy this whole idea that you get the life you work for and I was talking about these two things the good parts about his conception in the duty-driven ethic that is part of the warrior ethic that he embodies and also the good things about the meritocratic ideal but also I carried out some criticisms about these two things today I'm going to focus on the third main philosophical conception that makes up the concept of masculinity that Andrew Tate defends which is a blend of ideas from the Red Pill online community high value man stoicism courage and traditionalism so the story of how I run into the whole thing of the Red Pill community and the ideas that they defend It was during the remodeling of the apartment where my wife my baby boy and I live right now and I think I listened to more than 100 hours of the Red Pill community ideas and most of the Andrew Tate's appearances in different shows of that kind like the Fresh and Fit podcast if you have not watched it it's up to you if you want to watch it but I'm saying that I was basically doing a philosophical analysis while listening to this more than 100 hours of podcast in different shows where Andrew Tate also appears but not only and so while I was mixing cement and doing the floors I was doing an anthropological analysis of the type of person who embodies the ideas of the Red Pill community where do we start? oh man there are just so many wrong ideas about this community so let me quickly point out the main points I will address#1 I will talk about the concept of"high value man" and #2 the whole concept of "man" as a "stoic" referring to the emotional control#3 the whole ideal or virtue of "courage" as the highest virtue and #4 traditional roles of men and women as something to bring back so let's let's address the first thing about the whole conception of the "high value man" who's gonna genuinely genuinely never ever consider those options ever then he's just a low value dude that's the reality of the game the reality of the game is if the guy has choices he's gonna consider those choices this I know it's I know it's unfortunate right but I I'm telling you a man can be head over heels and love I can love you with all my heart I can be ready to die for you take a bullet for you but I'll still f*** that b**** you know what I'm saying now let me if you have not heard anything about the Red Pill community so let me give you a basic summary of the rationale behind this defense of the "high value man" so we are told by Tate and this community that if you are a high value man then you can have many women in an open relationship but only open in one end this basically means that the guy is allowed to have many hookups but the women in the relationship must be loyal as a sign of respect this approach to relationships is predicated on a whole theory of the dynamics in the dating market according to this view even average women get many requests from men it is true that these men might be average or mediocre but again even the average women or mediocre women get dating candidates whereas men even if they are average it is extremely rare that they will get any dating candidates and if they do it is way lower than the number of requests that an average woman gets this means that the peak value of a woman in the dating market is when she is young 18 through 30 years old that is kind of the range if you are beyond 30 you are losing your value so what can you do according to them obviously now there is a point here because going beyond 30 you know you usually start losing the physical appearance compared to women within that age range in the case of men they will have very few chances of dating someone let alone dating someone "hot" if they do not work hard for it making money having symbols of social status and knowing how to captivate a woman or what they call"having game" you need to "have game" to be able to you know talk to women and get them to be with you that is why men's peak value is reached later on in their thirties to fifties and don't give me wrong this is to some degree true because women usually date across or up to the socio-economic scale but very rarely lower while in men there is more variability if the woman is young and physically beautiful according to the beauty norms of today so since men are more driven by visual cues than women evolutionary biologists believe that this is why men care more about looks and youth as symbols of fertility while women care more about other aspects such as money and status as symbols of security and protection that also explains why men consume more visual pornography in the form of videos and women more literary pornography in the form of books 50 shades of gray best selling book in the time of women's liberation so you can see that some of the evidence for that usually when men reach their peak value they are desired by most women Tinder proves this most women want the same very few men and these men since they are successful and they have so many options they tend to be quite promiscuous okay so what does this have to do with open relationships on one end as the right of a "high value man"?

well the logic is the following: 7:53

"since I am a rarity""and you will not find men like me easily""and I have worked so hard""to get to this point""you cannot tell me""I owe you loyalty""in the same way you do""loyalty on my end""is expressed by""my giving you what you want""and having a relationship with you""but not in terms of sexual exclusivity""if you don't like it""fine! go with a regular guy you detest" that is the logic there as you can see the Devil is in the details because it is true that for the most part the dynamics within the dating market especially between heterosexual couples works this way because there is a lot of research done already about these phenomena so it's not completely wrong what happens here is that they use this data to make prescriptions or to advise other men in a very harmful way that perpetuates the problems they are complaining about now let me be more specific here so the problem with this whole idea of the "high value man" is that is hypocritical at best and misogynistic at worst high value man so we are told want women who are extremely attractive and as innocent as a child they don't want promiscuous women because they have lost their value that's why now here we have the discussion about how many "bodies" you have meaning how many sexual partners have you had in the past but the irony here in this type of men is that they themselves are perpetuating the same problem they are complaining about that is they want to be promiscuous with other promiscuous women if they are not dating formally these women but the biggest nonsense in this idea is that these men are validating themselves as "high value" through the women they criticize it is like saying"oh! I am a high value man""because promiscuous women""want to be with me""but they are trash""and you shouldn't be""with somebody like them" so in this sense is hypocritical because if you are seeing that this is a problem in society and that is your true belief about the world then you what you want to do is to be a force for good and encourage and promote non-promiscuous behaviors among people but in this case they are like no no no"let me take advantage""and use them""for my own pleasure""since they are very promiscuous""but the person I'm dating formally""that person""cannot be with""anybody else""because, you know""I'm a high value man""they owe me sexual exclusivity""and I will be with them""how lucky they are""to be with somebody like me" that is the logic they are using here and that is why I'm saying it is misogynistic at worst because it's perpetuating this vision or this conception of women as as a means to an end not as ends in themselves as human beings but rather as people to use and... disposable human beings basically let's move on now with the second main idea of this Red Pill community the whole concept of being "stoic" of "stoicism" the popular definition of what it means to be a stoic stoicism is the endurance of pain and hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint and this is an oversimplified version of the ancient school of thought stocism and I am not gonna get into that I'm just quickly telling you that Tate in this case criticizes the over-emphasis of expressing our emotions now the problem with this as you saw in the clip is that he confuses "expressing our emotions" with "not regulating our emotions" and letting them control our lives it's not the same thing one thing is to express your emotions and recognize what you're going through and validate them and it is quite a different thing to just let your emotions control you and just completely go insane or nuts but it's not the same thing and Andrew Tate equates these two realities now"a man" according to Tate and the Red Pill community should not express their emotions or everything they're feeling to their partner one needs to have self-mastery self-control according to the Red Pill Community women are more emotional than men and what makes a "man" different is being able to be more rational cold and analytical so with this explanation I would like to criticize two main things about this whole conception of being stoic the first criticism that I would like to put forth is what we consider "to be emotional" what do we mean by "being emotional"? and the second thing is the selective "emotional control" that they defend yes! when the Red Pill community says that "women are more emotional than men" they are somehow omitting that anger is an emotion sometimes they say that"women are more hormonal than men" but again anger aggression and territorial behavior are highlighted or enhanced by testosterone which is a hormone by the way I know plenty of men who are more hormonal than women if we include "testosterone" in the equation so if by "more emotional" we mean that women usually show more kinds of emotions then that is correct but I do not see that as a bad thing if by "more emotional" we mean that they are usually more controlled by their emotions then I have a problem with that because again I know plenty of men who are slaves of their emotions of anger and sexual arousal than women men have initiated wars and stupid fights by feeling threatened or anger by feeling anger because somebody looked at them the wrong way now I want to make something clear here I do believe there is a difference between men and women I don't believe you can just erase the difference between these two sexes by appealing to what we have in common or exceptions to the rule I just wanna make that clear now, that is not the topic of this podcast but I'm clarifying my position so that I'm not misinterpreted I think what makes up for these definitions of male and female are multidimensional and that can be understood under three big umbrellas nature, nurture, and freedom for example in the case of "nature" we can talk about hormonal makeup and physical differences on group averages based on sex then we can speak about "nurture" or societal influence"nurture" as social construct or norms of how each gender is expected to express their sex and then we can speak about "freedom" meaning, what you decide to do with what you were given at a biological level and societal level so I don't align with just the people who account for human behavior using only biology nor I align with the constructivist view that gender is just a social construct and it has no transcendence in how we behave but this is a point of view that I am still developing and do not feel prepared to talk about in greater detail at least not for now but I just wanna make that clarification there so that I don't come across as erasing these differences between the sexes as something just purely made up by us no so let's move on to the second aspect of this application of stoicism when they talk about having emotional control as a sign of a true man another irony with this conception of being stoic of not showing emotions or not being controlled by your emotions and that you shouldn't be sharing your true emotions with your partner because they will lose respect and so on is that in the Red Pill community defenders or these people who adopt this view including Andrew Tate is that they are very selective about this emotional control or self mastery the problem of this way of understanding "emotional control" is how selective it is with some emotions attention here! this is really important¡atención! because the point is that they say we need to be stoic in refraining from expressing a whole set of emotions fear loneliness confusion and so on but when it comes to controlling our sexual urges the Red Pill community tells us that"a man" needs many women that is the way they are wired biologically as if they are doomed by their biological urges and testosterone and hormones and they cannot do anything about it so in this case we are slaves of those emotional states that are provoked by our sexual arousal so this is obviously a contradiction because"oh! I am stoic""and refrain my emotions""and I'm not controlled by them""when it is convenient""you know""when I don't wanna be""completely vulnerable""with my partner""and have that type of unity""but at the same time""I cannot help""but be with many women""because I cannot control myself""because I am wired that way" and as you can see testosterone is a hormone if we consider"sexual arousal" and "anger" as a state of consciousness that involves a set of emotions then you could say that men are controlled by their hormones and emotions all the time especially when it comes to physical aggression and sexual control let's move on now to the whole conception of "courage" as part of the ideal of Andrew Tate and the Red Pill community so this is another trait that is closely related to his views but that should not be confused with them Ben Shapiro as much as I disagree with him in one of his videos he gave his opinion as to why many men are attracted to Andrew Tate's message and you can see this in the description the link so Shapiro explains that when living in a society that has deny universal truths speaking one's mind unapologetically becomes the most important thing in other words Tate is willing to challenge accepted ideas and say what no one would say out loud some of what he says is accurate but some of it is flat-out wrong and baseless but in a society that lacks values"courage" in speaking one's mind becomes the highest virtue regardless of what is said Shapiro in my opinion is right in his analysis courage or boldness in speaking one's mind has an instrumental value that is to say it is a necessary characteristic for speaking the truth but it should not be confused with truth let me repeat that and attention here this is key courage or boldness in speaking one's mind has an instrumental value that is to say it is a necessary characteristic for speaking the truth but it should not be confused with truth it is a necessary characteristic because a cowardly person even if he knows the truth needs to have courage to actually speak it aloud but the mere fact that someone has the courage to speak a controversial opinion does not imply that what he says is true it is one thing for someone to dare to speak his mind it is quiet another for what has been said to be true now it is very difficult to separate the truth when the person saying it is charismatic and conveys his message with great conviction fair enough Tate's courage in speaking frankly about issues of extreme complexity is commendable but his masculine rhetoric is toxic because it does not seek reconciliation but controversy and polarization lastly let's talk about his traditional views of men and women and this understanding of traditionalism Tate and the Red Pill community portray the importance of being a man as the person who will defend you against enemies and risk their lives as if we were in tribal hostile environment this is part of the problem with traditionalism which is basically the attitude of legitimizing or approving a set of practices or paradigms because they have worked or because it has been done that way for a long time now I do believe that we need to be studious of why traditions become an integral part of a culture because people quickly come to an abrupt conclusion about traditions without knowing well what they are criticizing we need to so to speak do "responsible revisionism" yes! we need to go back and see and look with critical eyes at traditions in the past or current traditions that we have inherited but be responsible try to see the value in it why these things were adopted and there is a quotation that is attributed to G.K. Chesterton but there is debate about who actually said it

that says the following: 22:53

"before you destroy a fence""ask yourself why was the fence put up" so with this what I want to say is that traditions need to be critically analyzed and see what things they have produced that need to be corrected my wife the other day sent me this TikTok that I find remarkable it was a post by"Vulga drawing" and you can see the link in the description and I'm referring specifically to the slide 4 of the post you know It's the typical TikTok post where there's music and then you slide and there are are different things that have a message now in the slide 4 of the post I think that conveys very well what I want to say about traditionalism and the problem it has yes I'm referring specifically to the slide 4

and it says the following: 24:36

and why am I saying that? with the whole thing of patriarchy? well because in most patriarchal societies there has been a neglect of women's issues and realities and these and patriarchal societies defend and promote a dangerous dependency or subordination of the woman towards the man and many times this man has been abusive and tyrannical so in my estimation it is a net positive that men are not holding as much authority and power as in the past now obviously there needs to be more work done and progress done but any effort that we can do to reduce this asymmetry of power and influence is actually good because that means that there is less space for this tyranny to be perpetuated easily you know it will take a lot more effort to actually become tyrannical because in a culture where that is not acceptable anymore then yeah it's harder for that to happen and sometimes I come across to these post about people saying that oh"since the "me too" movement""I can't even talk to my workmate""because they might think""that I'm harassing them""or saying something""when I'm just actually""being polite" but I feel like that is just an over-exaggeration and I think that that is missing the whole point of the "me too" movement I think men have been very entitled and treated women in a patronizing manner and now this is becoming more unacceptable in the work culture and in social circles and that is actually a good thing and I think that clearly you can see when a guy is treating you well and when he is hitting on you so hard and just saying crazy things like or consenting is like bro like... have just decency just be cordial like you know don't be weird and I feel like people make this exaggeration that"oh! I cannot talk to women""at the workplace" just to exaggerate and to miss the point you know and so I think for example that the "me too" movement was a net positive because now men who have this entitled attitude will think twice before making any improper move so to speak now obviously as anything there might be some radical expressions of these that are wrong and that I oppose but again as anything nothing is perfect and I think it is a net positive in the end I think that the traditional roles of men and women in society has served the patriarchy so well and I think that men need to stop trying to put themselves back at the center of the universe I think that having equality of opportunities legal opportunities economic opportunities is actually a net positive and for those people who just complain like"oh! this feminist movement..." and things like that in a pejorative way I would remind them that in most countries even Western countries 50 years ago you couldn't have a bank account without the permission of your husband so if you are telling me that that doesn't give the men so much power and so much influence and so much space for tyrannical behavior then I don't know what to tell you there's nothing I have to tell you then now I would like to finish this podcast with a message to men and women regarding Andrew Tate's ideas and this is in a way a summary of what to take away from these two-part episode on Andrew Tate now I would like to address the men first and give them a message and I have three things to tell you#1 Do not be impressionable Yes! Tate is a speaking to your hurt and confusion you might feel in a place of pain fragmented and you are wandering and you don't know what you are meant to do in your life and you haven't found like an archetype of masculinity that you want to embody fair enough Yes! Tate is also a speaking to the part of you that wants to improve and defy the odds and see what happens and that is all good but do not be impressionable in believing everything he says meditate test the ideas with other traditions I encourage you to read more things than just these viral videos about Tate Tate is speaking to these desires that you have and speaking to the hurt but we need to be careful because when we are in a place of pain in a place of resentment we can hold on to many ideals that are very radical and in that process we can lose ourselves and become a person that is not in a place of harmony and so I encourage you to not be impressionable to take with a grain of salt what Andrew Tate is saying and that you become more acquainted with other traditions other models of masculinity so that you are able to have more references to discern if Andrew Tate's message is actually a net positive for your life or not and just take away the good and discard the rest#2 the second thing I would like to say to the men is that you are not your strongest desires this is the problem of the "self" and I want to speak to your sexual urges and to your physical aggression aspect in yourself in yourself as a man now I wanna give credit because I heard this in a sermon that John Mark Comer did about identity and evil and sin and the world and how to overcome temptation and how the Devil tempt us he mentioned this so I will refer this sermon teaching podcast that he has and I think that is a fantastic sentence"you are not your strongest desires" I think that's the way he said it now Tate's prescription of a successful man is shallow and self serving because he uses those good character traits that can be a powerful force when loving others but he uses it to sell this consumeristic dream of what men desire to achieve pleasure and something that you see in Tate is that he prioritizes self-expression and self-fulfilment in terms of like a hedonistic or pleasure-driven type of lifestyle as one of the biggest goods as part of the best things that you can do with your life as a man you know have sex with a lot of women be successful drive expensive cars be in expensive places do not associate yourself with the weak and you know if I don't feel it and it's not in me then it's fake if I feel it and I agree with it then that is that must be the true path for me and if I don't follow my heart my desires what I want to do truly then I am betraying myself but your strongest* desires are not your deepest desires which that is the quote of John Mark Comer in the sermon"your strongest desires are not your deepest desires" yes you might have a strong desire to have many women to sleep around to have successful car to show your body to just live for yourself Carpe Diem you know like that's it enjoy your life you only live once YOLO life and all of that but what I'm telling you is your stronger desires those desires that you have for things for women for sex are not your deepest desires they do not define you and the truth is that we have many desires in conflict

because when people say: 32:42

"oh! you need to be authentic""to your own self""to yourself" and the question is which self? which self are you speaking about? because the experience of being a human being our spiritual and moral experience is not completely in uniformity with one desire but rather there are* always many desires that are in conflict so to speak they are a "collective self" in the language of Carl Jung he used it differently though but I'm just speaking here that there are many "selves" many "mini-YOUs" inside of you in conflict that desire opposite things and so that's why I'm saying your strongest desires are not your deepest desires let me give you an example I love pizza I love fast food I love soda and all of that

people tell me: 33:36

"oh! if you stop eating it""then you won't feel like eating it again" that's not true I actually have even more urges to eat those things or more cravings to eat those things so on the one hand inside of me there is a "self" or there is a person within me that wants to eat pizza but there's another person within me that would like to look like Cillian Murphy you know the protagonist of Oppenheimer or Peaky Blinders I think he just looks too good in suits and he just looks amazing you know to the point that there are so many Instagram accounts of masculine like manosphere* or masculine circles where they so to speak praise that type of aesthetics you know very masculine good suits in shape handsome stoic and so on as you can see I have two desires in conflicts Cillian Murphy's physique or appearance and eating pizza I'm just giving you a silly example just to make my point across but yeah so which self am I? who do I listen to? right and so my deepest desire is to be a healthy person to be there for my child and for my wife and to help other people that is my deepest desire but many times is not my strongest desire many times my strongest desires are eating pizza not exercising watching Netflix all day so that's what I'm trying to say is that you are not your strongest desires or your strongest desires are not your deepest desires and what I'm trying to say is that do not believe the lie that you have to succumb or live accordingly to your sexual urges or your lust for things for more that is the lies we're being told and this is symptomatic of the spiritual and moral poverty that we have nowadays so no reject that there is a better path and my recommendation for all of you is to actually read the Gospel read Jesus for me He is an inspiration because success is not defined as a pleasure-seeking type of lifestyle where I have many women and expensive cars but rather it is defined in terms of love like if I'm a person of love or not and love contrary to pleasure love leaves you full leaves you not lacking leaves you whole it lacks nothing you feel completely whole with the otherness with the other people that you are loving and you are able to reach this union because we are made to love and be loved and I think that many times we use pleasure as a quick fix to numb this emptiness that we have in our lives for lacking true love true union true communion with God and with other people and lastly my last point #3 for the man is to not be ashamed for being a man do not be ashamed for being a man avoid "male guilt" I do not like that I do not like when people put down themselves to vindicate women's role no, you don't need to put down yourself and talk so bad about men in general to actually praise women or fight for equality you know use the strength the vigor the power the drive all of these use it to serve others do not apologize for being a man but rather embody great virtues for you to then teach others like embody these great virtues this self-discipline work duty but for the higher good to be a person of love to be an exemplary person so that is my encouragement do not be ashamed for being a man avoid male guilt be a man unapologetically but remember use your power your advantage your influence for the good of the community now I would like to say something to the women as well because some of you might be listening and I have three things to tell you and I would like you to consider these three things that I would like to tell you and this is a reflection of what to take away from this discussion about Andrew Tate now to the women my first thing that I would like to say is to avoid making a caricature of men's complaints why am I saying that? because the temptation when women or when you as a woman are feeling hurt is to misinterpret or to be dismissive with the other person"Oh! you are complaining""that you are oppressed""that you have problems""look at me""I have been oppressed all my life" so and then it becomes a competition who is the most oppressed and so no we don't wanna do that and because many times I've seen this caricature of men the logic of this caricature that at times women make of men's complaints or men's struggles is that "men have occupied""the place of privilege""and all their complaints""are just tantrums""because they are not""getting away with""what they want""as they used to" fair enough that is certainly the case you know sometimes men complain like the "me too" movement"Oh I cannot talk to women""in the workspace anymore""because they just you know""they're so hysterical" I'm like stop it man! like that's just silly that is not true so stop misrepresenting the me too movement so I agree with you I agree with you there we can do better than that but let's not go to the other extreme let's not you know make a caricature because there are problems that men are going through and that they're completely legitimate and it doesn't need to be a competition but rather a mutual acknowledgement of the struggles that we face in this journey called "life" basically the second thing I would like to say to the women is to stop talking about equality by only putting down men let me repeat that to stop talking about equality by ONLY putting down men now I'm not saying to stop talking about equality we need to talk about justice equality and all of that I'm all for it but we need to reframe how we carry out this discussion and not do it by only putting down men think of the positive messages about what men can do or what men can be and so I think of my son you know I have a baby son Eiden he's five months and a half I believe I'm always pretty bad with dates I'm concerned you know'cause I want I would like for him to have this healthy masculinity where he acknowledges his unique makeup as a man but at the same time doesn't use it to be entitled or to treat other people or put people down but at the same time I don't want him to just receive these messages about what he's not supposed to be I would like to have positive messages and I think that many times the conversation about equality only revolves about all the negative things that men do rather than giving positive messages And lastly #3 the third thing I would like to say to women is to call out people when they say hateful and unloving comments about men now what do I mean by that? I would be lying to you if I don't admit and recognize how angry it makes me feel when I hear things like"Oh! we don't need men" or "men are the problem" some TikToks there are some TikToks that are "oh my goodness""I don't know why""they thought that was a good idea""to say something like that" but even these days almost like this glorification and it has become socially acceptable in some circles to say"Oh! we don't need men""men are trash""why do we need men" and things like that and I do believe that even if you mean that in a humorous way which usually is not based on the context of these videos I want to say to you that if you are actually pro equality and pro inclusivity men are the otherness too like men are the otherness if we are truly tolerant and inclusive we need to have a rhetoric a way of conversing a way of talking in love a rhetoric of love words that can build bridges of communications words matter and so do not perpetuate the hate you are complaining about do not embody or practice the hate you want to eliminate if you wouldn't like for women to be characterized in that manner do not do the same thing with men I mean I don't know like it will be super sad for a man to say"Oh we don't need women" which actually the incels do say that and so they think that women are the problem because nobody date them but they are the problem because they don't have they're not competent enough to be attractive to women but what I'm saying is that we need to eliminate this type of tribal thinking of this rhetoric of polarization this rhetoric of division of this rhetoric of conflict of war between the sexes we need to stop doing that and have this rhetoric of love because if you are really inclusive and I'm referring especially to the left leaning women here if you truly believe in tolerance well let me tell you men are the true otherness the otherness that is hard to love that is the radical otherness that you need to accept and tolerate so to speak to live in society and so and as I said in my previous videos the highest form of tolerance is dialogue dialogue with the otherness and in this case the true radical otherness the foreigners the downcast the outcast the marginal person is the man in the context of this discussion because men in this case especially misogynistic men like Andrew Tate men like Andrew Tate or these men in the Red Pill community they are the otherness that are the hardest to love but that is the true message of tolerance and inclusivity if we are actually following what we say that we respect and value as the highest virtues you know in society so yeah do not perpetuate the hate that you are complaining about do not embody or practice the hate you want to eliminate but rather embody and model a way of speaking about men similar to the way that you would like them to speak about women well thank you everybody this is the end of the episode about Andrew Tate and the decline of masculinity I hope you found value in this discussion in this conversation and for the next episode we're going to have something a lot more light-hearted where I am going to be discussing the way I structure my routine my weekly routine as a PhD student husband father podcaster and all of that in case that might be of any utility for your life and please remember DM me or comment below for suggestions about topics that you would like me to cover if you also want to read more about some things that I've said in the past about Andrew Tate I have two blog posts on my website and so you can find the links below and remember I have a book is in Spanish is mostly for academic even though I try to explain things well but if you are interested in academic writing in Nietzsche in Christianity get the book social media I am in every platform pretty much except Twitter or X I don't remember how now that is called but yeah so I am in all of those platform Instagram TikTok Facebook and if you would like to listen to my spiritual teachings mostly in Spanish circles you can find my Spanish YouTube channel below in the comments and yeah that's everything on my end everybody and I hope you have a lovely lovely weekend until next time adios